The Catholic Dilemma


The Catholic Dilemma of the Political Election Process

 

Peering back through the mists of time I focus on the election of 1960. That was the election of JohnTrump v Hillary Fitzgerald Kennedy to be the 35th President of the USA. In St. Anthony School in the Bronx those innocent but naive goodly sisters would constantly urge us students to push our parents to vote Democratically to help elect the first Catholic President to the White House; little did they, or anyone else for that matter, realize that on a personal level JFK was by no means an exemplary Catholic or even by secular standards a just and moral man. Literally, a myriad of books and articles have been written describing his numerous immoral exploits so there is no need to rehash it here. As to those poor deluded nuns, they must now be rolling in their graves to know the depth of not only the sins of the first “Catholic” president but also just how far the morality of our nation, and, yes, even the Catholic Church has fallen.

This brings us to the current election cycle of Trump vs. Clinton and the dilemma it poses for true Catholic citizens of the United States. In past, times such as the election of Kennedy, the actions of the Catholic voter, though misplaced, were clear. Elect a “Catholic” President and reestablish a Catholic moral basis within the greater political and social framework of the nation. Obviously, this hope was dashed when candidate JFK assured the nation that he would not impose his Catholic beliefs and values on the rest of the country. While this should have been a dead giveaway of his political intention, it was largely overlooked by the media of the day, so many would be Catholic voters were clearly under a delusion.

With the onset of the Vietnam Police Action, (intentionally and technically not defined as a war), people, most especially the young, began to become politically aware and became better informed, though such awareness was largely through the liberal mainstream media. At any rate, most voter age folks became politically and socially active, though once again misinformed. As a result, liberal political action and even revolution brought about the Decade of Revolution culminating in Revolutionary years of 1968 – 1969, when all manner of evil was foisted on society. At the time, it was still clear, though getting murky, of the “right” thing for a Catholic to do as far as the voting booth was concerned; namely vote the traditional moral and justice beliefs of the Catholic Faith.

As the Supreme Court decision of 1972, Roe v. Wade, was mandated by judicial fiat into the law of the land it was still clear of what should be the behavior of the true Catholic, both at the polling place and within the society. Many good willed Catholics took to the protest lines and exhibited civil disobedience, even to the point of arrest, to protest the murder of the unborn. Indeed, many of these brave, pioneering, and aging Catholic protesters still, and for the most part exclusively, man the protest lines in front of abortion mills to this very day: their civil protests largely going unnoticed and unheeded even by contemporary Catholics. Many of whom sad to say, even so-called traditional Catholics, see the protest efforts as largely futile and, in fact, among under-40 Y.O. NewChurch Catholics view abortion as a women’s right.

As can be seen by the above, the zenith of Catholic action was the 1972 and years immediately following. Today with the advance of the generations, and lTrump or Hillaryargely with the looming and complicit silence of the Catholic hierarchy, most NewChurch Catholics are confused, at best, or completely against the traditional Catholic moral teachings of the Catholic Church, that is, the Sacred Magisterium. As the issue of this year, that is, the institutionalization of Sodomy into the law of the land further eroded traditional Catholic values we now have before us the impending dilemma of what an orthodox Catholic should do. It has even been proposed by Catholics in our traditional Catholic chapels to abstain from voting at all because we are morally obliged to vote only for Catholic candidates. However, while we have nominally Catholic candidates many of them are often to the left of the most rabid atheist and therefore begs the question… Who do we vote for?

Without doubt we are in the most tumultuous, chaotic, and unprecedented times of the Church since our days in the catacombs, so admittedly, we have a uniquely Catholic dilemma regarding our civil and religious duties.

While I cannot speak for all traditional Catholics, nor do I offer any political of social advice on the matter, my prospective on the issue is to imagine myself on that terrible and inevitable day, standing before the Judgement Seat of Our Lord Jesus Christ, and when he asks what I did to prevent institutionalized Sodomite Marriage within our nation, can I say, well, there was no true Catholic candidate so I did not vote, thus enabling the perversity of the left to hold sway in our country. Clearly, for me at least, this will not be an acceptable answer for that Terrible Judge, and could even mean the difference between salvation and damnation. Yikes and gadzooks, this thought alone cuts through the mists and fog and dictates what must be done to at least slow down, if not, derail the Communist juggernaut bearing down on us.

SO I would urge the readership of CRS to pray, meditate, study the situation, plea to God for discernment, and finally hold your nose and vote, because we will someday be called to account for all our temporal actions no matter how big or small, and receive commensurate eternal reward or punishment.

I.C. Clearly (guest poster)

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3 Responses to The Catholic Dilemma

  1. Karen Nelson says:

    I really don’t think that I can morally vote for either one. Trump is on his 3rd “wife” who poses, or has posed for playboy type photos. Just search for Melania Trump Photos and your will see that her photos are not a secret. Trump owns a strip club…could be how he met Melania? If you search youtube you will find that Trump at one time was “Pro-choice” so I really don’ think that he’s prolife like he now says he is. Trump changes his policies like he changes wives. I’m old enough to remember when our secular government had higher morals than most Christians today…including Traditional Catholics, and if a man had a divorce he wouldn’t even be able to run for president. Maybe its because I remember this that I’m having a hard time accepting the lack of morals accepted as normal today? I really think that what we will have to answer to God for is our lack of prayer and penance done by Traditional Catholics. Read Jonas in Nineveh how the people listened, did severe penances & prayed and God saved them. Our Lady at Fatima gave the very same message, prayer (the daily rosary) and penance, but not many listened to her. This is what we really need because if we don’t do penance and pray (15 decades everyday)…God will surly give us a penance through a just chastisement, which will be more severe than if we would have done penance on our own. We will be brought to our knees for our guilt of thousands of innocent babies being murdered via abortion, sodomy legalized by our government, adultery, fornication, and the list goes on… I personally can’t vote for either Trump or Hillary. Lets follow the Saints, what would they do? Well, St. Thomas More and St. John Fisher went to their deaths rather than support the divorce and illicit marriage of their leader. Maybe its time for martyrdom?
    Just my opinion.
    Karen

  2. I really don’t think that I can morally vote for either one.

    Ah! Here lies the essence of the dilemma!

    Trump is on his 3rd “wife” who poses, or has posed for playboy type photos. Just search for Melania Trump Photos and your will see that her photos are not a secret. Trump owns a strip club…could be how he met Melania? If you search youtube you will find that Trump at one time was “Pro-choice” so I really don’ think that he’s prolife like he now says he is. Trump changes his policies like he changes wives.

    Clearly Trump is without doubt a low-down scoundrel! He also proposes to run the government like a profit corporation with which I vehemently disagree since government is only there to protect the rights of the people to do their respective duties of state. He panders to all the usual special interest groups, i.e. Zionists, Sodomites, Feminists, Wall Street, etc., yet, he is not one of the professional good ol’ boy network politicians nor part of the cronyism of the Beltway, and this fact could be the unspoken benefit of Trump. At worst, he will be thwarted in everything he proposes and become a lame duck president and at best he just may be able to accomplish what we need to counter or reverse the liberalism of the past and also some of the freedoms we have lost. God works in mysterious ways, let’s give Him a chance to use this situation to the good, if possible.

    I’m old enough to remember when our secular government had higher morals than most Christians today…including Traditional Catholics, and if a man had a divorce he wouldn’t even be able to run for president.

    Like you I too remember a different time… divorce would be the death knell, (remember Nelson A. Rockefeller), for any politician and even for some corporate executives.

    Maybe it’s because I remember this that I’m having a hard time accepting the lack of morals accepted as normal today? I really think that what we will have to answer to God for is our lack of prayer and penance done by Traditional Catholics. Read Jonas in Nineveh how the people listened, did severe penances & prayed and God saved them. Our Lady at Fatima gave the very same message, prayer (the daily rosary) and penance, but not many listened to her. This is what we really need because if we don’t do penance and pray (15 decades everyday)…

    Agreed! As Saint Paul said we war against spirts and principalities in high places, meaning the battle is mainly spiritual and therefore prayer and penance is a foregone conclusion. Meantime, we must also do battle in the temporal realm and do what we physically can, including civil disobedience and protest, if needed.

    As to lack of morals, prayer, and penance among the great mass of humanity, we must also remember Our Lady’s answer to the seers: that they, at least, should pray and do penance. Also bear in mind that if Abraham had found only ten righteous men Sodom and the other cities of the plain would have been spared. So in the spiritual realm it isn’t just a numbers game but more one of fervent prayer by the few that matters.

    God will surly give us a penance through a just chastisement, which will be more severe than if we would have done penance on our own.

    Without doubt chastisement is coming, if we as traditional Catholics are not fervent in prayer and penance ,,,and possibly even with this; and it will be most severe because the sins of Sodom and Gomorrah were as nothing compared to the stench of sin reaching God’s nostrils today.

    We will be brought to our knees for our guilt of thousands of innocent babies being murdered via abortion, sodomy legalized by our government, adultery, fornication, and the list goes on…

    Yes, many will definitely be brought to their knees, judging from the evils we see it will still be those who serve God and His Will who will see the truth of the chastisement. The sinners of our day are for the most part existentialists and nihilists whose absolute truth is human intellect and reason so they will rationalize away to some humanly explained force anything that God may hurl at them. I’m afraid that, like the stiff-neck Hebrews of the Old Testament they will not see the truth until it is too late.

    I personally can’t vote for either Trump or Hillary. Let’s follow the Saints, what would they do? Well, St. Thomas More and St. John Fisher went to their deaths rather than support the divorce and illicit marriage of their leader.

    Correct, but these saints defied a temporal human law (that of the King). Voting, at least not yet, is not illegal and can be practiced without qualms by Catholics. True, we have a dismal selection to make but keep in mind that it is not just the Presidency at stake but the power to appoint Supreme Court Judges. So ask yourself, would you rather Trump or Hillary have this power… this especially since most of the onerous laws were not determined through the power of the vote, but by judicial fiat, abortion and Sodomite marriage being the prime examples.

    Maybe its time for martyrdom?

    Bloody Martyrdom may not be afar off… indeed, we see Christians martyred through the Middle East, including Palestine where 30% of the population is Christian, a fact seldom repeated by the media. Additionally, we now see much bloody killing in Europe (still nominally culturally Catholic) from Islam,. For most of us, however, we have been suffering a dry martyrdom since the radicalization of the Catholic Church through Vatican Council II. I suspect that I don’t need to tell you, but many of us have been severely and coldly rejected by family and friends simply because we adhere to the traditional Catholic Faith and Eternal Rome. This is part of the penance and suffering you referenced above and is a cross, though heavy, I’ve learned to accept over the past several decades.

    Just my opinion.

    I’m sure this is the opinion of many readers of Catholic Rural Solutions. That said, however, by using all in our power to resist evil, even the power of the ballot box, we may be thwarting some further abominations like nationwide legal euthanasia of the old, legal pedophilia, and even bestiality. At worst we will have no effect, but at least we can stand before the Judgement Seat and say we tried. At best we may have stopped or postponed such evils. Don’t get me wrong the battle is spiritual in its essence, but God expects us to also do something in the \temporal sphere to fight evil. This could be starting traditional Catholic Chapels, schools, or voting against the evil of our day. Remember, Noe did not just sit back and pray when God told him a terrible chastisement was at hand, he picked up his tools and went to work. Sometimes I believe that trad. Caths leave it all to God when He expects us to participate in fulfilling His will!

    Many thanks for your sincere and earnest response, and know that I too share you ambivalence in voting but this in itself can be a ruse of the devil to bring us to despair.

    Fight on… fight on… fight on!

  3. Elizabeth P says:

    Thank you. Great post and comments.

    I am a Catholic, and not a member of either political party. I’m going to vote Republican, regardless of the merits or demerits of the candidate himself, because whichever party wins will have many people taking part in the administration, not just the candidate. I think what’s important is the platform and values that candidate and the other individuals in the party will bring into play.

    The Democrat convention actually had the president of Planned Parenthood as one of their speakers. They seem to be on the wrong side of so many moral issues.

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